Wow. Just… wow.
It seems that asking a question without a screenshot is a mortal sin. I asked what “BP” stood for — thinking, (forgive me!!! mea culpa and I mean that, to a degree)… that BP was a common heading to the spreadsheet thing about each element in your app. I quipped that it might mean a few things..
…first reply? That it stood for ‘bad post.”
Okay… I replied, “Okay, so you don’t know either?” and described where it was, and then went to try to get a screenshot… and realized that no, it wasn’t at the end of the assorted things I’d looked at and I didn’t remember where it was.
So… I let it lie. I ran into five more brick walls… and went for an awesome bike ride. Little did I know.
Well, I went back today to ask another question — and the thread had been “archived.” It had continued, including “screenshot?” and then a couple of people talking about this being a common problem — the long post was in Spanish, but it conveyed that people wasted a LOT of time on people who didn’t give enough information. (This was not the original “bad post” person.)
So I’ve replied and apologized
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apologies. I understand, now, that it is deemed a fatal flaw not to have a screenshot.
I incorrectly thought that “BP” was a common heading and went back to try to make a screen shot and didn’t find it on the first two objects I checked… so I stopped trying and figured I’d let it be.
I understand you don’t see any help in a question like this.
So… this is a thing a lot of people do! It’s a general problem!
You could not spend time at all by … not replying. Then your precious time is not wasted.
You could reply “screenshot, please!”
You could “archive” things which I infer is to deem the post not worth reading??
You could do your best to make sure people like me never come back. Thanks!
Don’t worry… I’ll keep trying.”
However, when I posted my other question… I’m “moderated.”
Now, maybe my other four questions were also borderline too stupid to be true?
I mean, other questions I’ve read were shouting and carrying on. Guess that’s okay.
I’m thinking probably this is one individual, possibly two, who are passing judgment.
However, geogebra, I am getting the clear, strong message that no, this is not an open community.
Now, I’m going to treat it like the bicycling community. If the hammerheads (I think psychologically these may be the equivalent: the ‘leaders’ who get a charge from the competitive atmosphere and feed off each others’ egos ) make newbies unwelcome, then … where can I find, or carve out, a welcoming community?
And to clarify I commented that, since I was being “moderated,” I’d treat it like StackOverflow and just read answers and not post questions.
I figure they might be proud that they’re like Stack Overflow… or not.
Now, I’ve tripped over another problem with “text” objects. Same as before: I can’t figure out how to get to where it’s code. (Oh, I’m pretty sure that Spanish post was pretty snarky about people who ask dumb questions and don’t read the wiki. They don’t believe that we do — that the wiki is only useful if you know where to look. If it says I can have Text () or Text (” “) but doesn’t say where to find that option on the platform, or just what I can put in ye olde parentheses… I’m not going to know what to do.) Time for a ride 🙂
Now, I *did* find how to do “text” stuff — by going to the input bar and coding it in there. It was in the wiki. (Help process: wiki, then google for movies, then forum, then write question in blog, and then the next day post question on twitter)
xiousgeonz
December 4, 2017
Going through the email — my question about naming numbers was “denied.” The “reason” was left blank.
Message coming in clearly that unlike, say, #MTBOS , there’s no desire for people to feel welcome. I replied asking whether there was a reason.
It was one thing for two people to jump on my thread on a weekend and do the “get out!” thing. (Sigh, I even sympathize.)
Another thing to get an “official” email from geogebra saying “declined” w/ no reason.
There can be a template: “the answer is in the wiki” “too general” “no screenshot.” Radio buttons.
That would be if they wanted to communicate, though.
I’m wondering if this is also typical of other projects that are “open.” “Open” can mean that the most aggressive “rise to the top.” (Yes, I have wondered about this and those times when computers were just put places and “oh! The children just taught themselves!” — I wonder… who wasn’t quick enough at learning and was made not welcome there?) “Natural selection” weeds out the “unfit.”
I’m forced to infer that the forum is of that special species of male-dominated tech communities where it behooves me to get out *before* even more toxic things happen.
xiousgeonz
December 5, 2017
(and this morning’s charge-into-the-headwind thought of Geogebra: maybe it wasn’t archived because I was “unworthy.” Maybe it was archived because of the responses. Maybe lots and lots of people get basically useless, derisive replies — but they’re hidden by the “archive” process at Geogebra. At any rate, bailing!)
jensilvermath
December 6, 2017
Please start your inquiry on Twitter with the hashtag #ggbchat. A few of us #mtbos folks keep an eye on that tag and one of us will answer your question or find someone who can. I don’t know much about the forum, but I’ve met the GeoGebra team and they are a very helpful group. In North America, you can count on tweeps @giohio, @mathhombre, @a_mcsquared, @dynamic_math, @dhabecker, and me, @jensilvermath, plus others I’m forgetting, I’m sure. If you get really frustrated, I’ll put you in touch with the top dogs. We don’t want you mad at GeoGebra!
xiousgeonz
December 6, 2017
Thanks. I’m not mad at “geogebra,” though disappointed in how the forum is run. Fortunately I have found helpful people who keep saying it’ll be worth it.
When I first saw some things I thought there was awesome potential… and I tried to tell a math teacher about it. I couldn’t convey what I think would be an awesome use of it — interacting with it as one would with manipulatives, but with so much more flexibility (the real advantages of 3-D, in-your hands manipulatives notwithstanding). I’m hoping I can find or create an example of that…
xiousgeonz
December 6, 2017
(The math teacher has a pretty intensive background in computer science and programming, so that part wouldn’t be an issue.)
jensilvermath
January 4, 2018
Take a look at some of these to start. https://ggbm.at/pNyKA2qr
xiousgeonz
December 6, 2017
(but … f’rinstance… how is a person to know from #ggbchat ? There are so many absolute basic knowledge tidbits like this that a person can go weeks w/o being aware of…)
jensilvermath
January 4, 2018
The GeoGebra team is working on a new website interface that will be more user-friendly. We are doing a Global Math Department presentation on January 30 to share some of the new features. Tim Brzezinski, Steve Phelps, and I will present.
There is also a GeoGebra Builder’s Club page in the works… don’t know when they go public.
xiousgeonz
January 4, 2018
Glad to see a number line option there!
It is often hard/impossible to figure out which of the options somebody used to create what’s in their construction protocol (per the rectangles in the template I was trying to emulate) — see https://wordpress.com/post/ds4oergeonz.wordpress.com/1078 , but when I get the chance I’ll dive in!
Thank you so much for your patience…